tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post4100328038356588731..comments2023-08-01T04:17:03.628-04:00Comments on Liberal Arts and Minds: Timing is EverythingKarenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-13623370419810995792008-08-08T17:14:00.000-04:002008-08-08T17:14:00.000-04:00Oh Steve, he contradictions abound.On the one hand...Oh Steve, he contradictions abound.<BR/><BR/>On the one hand no one knows anything about the Liberal Green Shift and on the other, it's destroying a business.<BR/><BR/>Yes, I'm sure she will continue to do quite well.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-49890698935678579212008-08-08T17:12:00.000-04:002008-08-08T17:12:00.000-04:00Wilson, that one example may be true, but it's rid...Wilson, that one example may be true, but it's ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>How environmentally sound of said company to throw out unused cups, even if they are bio-degradable. How about doing the right thing and donate them to a shelter or food bank. That makes environmental and ethical sense. <BR/><BR/>If they really believe that someone drinking a coffee is going to look at a cup and wonder if it was produced by the Liberal Party of Canada, there is something seriously wrong.<BR/><BR/>That aside though, the issue remains the same. Had Ms. Wright used her head when this all started and not over reacted to the phoney mail, all of this would have gone away.<BR/><BR/>Which brings me to the mail. I'm glad to see that it's part of her case. Hopefully she'll submit them all.<BR/><BR/>You wouldn't be in there would you wilson?Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-77058018829439786542008-08-08T17:02:00.000-04:002008-08-08T17:02:00.000-04:00Thank you Deb. I think it was RT.Thank you Deb. I think it was RT.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-50280842144902651432008-08-08T16:18:00.000-04:002008-08-08T16:18:00.000-04:00"Well, knb, apparently there are REAL damages bein..."Well, knb, apparently there are REAL damages being done, as is going around the blogosphere:"<BR/><BR/>Let me go on record right now, predicting that this company sees record profits in the coming months.<BR/><BR/>And, what I love, people like wilson who hate these tree hugger companies feigning concern. Pathetic.Steve Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04871113039374739208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-29375792750603035602008-08-08T14:58:00.000-04:002008-08-08T14:58:00.000-04:00Well, knb, apparently there are REAL damages bei...Well, knb, apparently there are REAL damages being done, as is going around the blogosphere:<BR/><BR/>...she has one client who sent her an email stating that they would pay for the cups they purchased from her but would throw them out because they have the "Green Shift" label on them and they did not want to be seen as supporting the Liberals...<BR/><BR/>That's proof of loss, as this particular company would NOT likely purchase products and then throw them out, nore than once.wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03589410224972050999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-58781150228872625122008-08-08T08:36:00.000-04:002008-08-08T08:36:00.000-04:00Thank you Deb....I couldn't remember where I saw i...Thank you Deb....I couldn't remember where I saw it - I was starting to look through Kady's blogs...again, thank you.RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-51835178610432174192008-08-08T07:43:00.000-04:002008-08-08T07:43:00.000-04:00"What I don't understand here, why JR finds it nec..."What I don't understand here, why JR finds it necessary to interject herself into a by-election, which makes her political, which implies that she is trying to hurt the Liberals in this riding."<BR/><BR/>Perhaps because she was interjected into the political scene by the Liberals when they "chose" to take the name of greenshift after warnings from her that she would take action. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps because of the arrogance of many, many Liberals who imply that she should be happy that she has all this publicity. <BR/><BR/>That's like the car thief saying to their victims to be happy because now their insurance will pay to get them a new car.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-60282014492968186022008-08-08T00:08:00.000-04:002008-08-08T00:08:00.000-04:00Red Tory had it first, I think: "Michael Krauss, a...Red Tory had it first, I think: <BR/><BR/>"Michael Krauss, a communications consultant who once worked for Brian Mulroney"Deb Protherohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06403442452148244237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-42536791765189705452008-08-07T19:26:00.000-04:002008-08-07T19:26:00.000-04:00jaybird you need to get a life, one, two, even thr...jaybird you need to get a life, one, two, even three responses, and then you got me moving on to the next place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-57811684452801889192008-08-07T19:02:00.000-04:002008-08-07T19:02:00.000-04:00PS - i have worked in clearing film rights and you...PS - i have worked in clearing film rights and you need to clear everything (coke cans, barely legible signs,etc.) that might pop up in the frame of a film. Do most indie and doc filmmakers do this - no because they hope not to get caught but that is still what you are supposed to do. The LPC is not some indie film they should have enough lawyers to know better. Even if I wasn't a dipper, I wouldn't have much sympathy for the hapless Dion crew. I will point out that is my most partisan statement in countless words posted today ;) <BR/><BR/>Off to pick up my gfriend y'all bye!jaybirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14482468975695219751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-71858782972183038372008-08-07T18:55:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:55:00.000-04:00KNB: regarding Merc bias - have to say given that ...KNB: regarding Merc bias - have to say given that I am a Toronto dipper - cry me a river ;) I have to suffer through the bias of the Star. I have no idea whether Merc is biased but i would argue that bias or not it is a legitimate story to follow up during by-election.<BR/><BR/>Again, the politics is inherent in the story because a political party chose to use her trademark for a plank of their election platform. She wouldn't be in Guelph if they had chosen a different name. You play by the rules of the game and it was the LPC that decided it would be a contact sport IMO.<BR/><BR/>Dion's braintrust knew about her, and should have done the research to know that she would defend her trademark. When they called her and she told them that she would defend her trademark they should have changed course. So whatever shit hits the fan (if any) Dion and his team only have themselves to blame.jaybirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14482468975695219751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-40780169655457457402008-08-07T18:45:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:45:00.000-04:00sandi, that particular detail has left memory bank...sandi, that particular detail has left memory banks.<BR/><BR/>Do you remember the name?Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-81569056938426966432008-08-07T18:44:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:44:00.000-04:00anon, that about sums it up.anon, that about sums it up.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-62094204952127257612008-08-07T18:43:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:43:00.000-04:00If memory serves me correctly, isn't she using a f...If memory serves me correctly, isn't she using a former communications guy for the CPC for her communications advice?<BR/><BR/>Hmmm......RuralSandihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09552973218865121867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-89451950666997818042008-08-07T18:41:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:41:00.000-04:00Simple - why is she placing herself in the middle ...Simple - why is she placing herself in the middle of a by-election if it isn't political?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-27279304205910513752008-08-07T18:25:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:25:00.000-04:00I think it's called thinking about the real issues...I think it's called thinking about the real issues and the common good.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-87498959534336937232008-08-07T18:22:00.001-04:002008-08-07T18:22:00.001-04:00Jimbobby, with Lizzie's blessing ;)Sure. How else ...<I>Jimbobby, with Lizzie's blessing ;)</I><BR/><BR/>Sure. How else are we gonna get our policies enacted? We ain't delusional like the Dippers. We know Lizzie May ain't ever gonna be PM.JimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-46341921873918696172008-08-07T18:22:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:22:00.000-04:00jaybird, no one is accusing her of being partisan....jaybird, no one is accusing her of being partisan.<BR/><BR/>I've said repeatedly that she was duped, imo.<BR/><BR/>To be frank, if I was to affiliate her to a party, it would not be the Con's.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-20087141364678310442008-08-07T18:18:00.001-04:002008-08-07T18:18:00.001-04:00Jimbobby, with Lizzie's blessing ;).Jimbobby, with Lizzie's blessing ;).Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-80274125498908831952008-08-07T18:18:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:18:00.000-04:00Yup, fun. :-) FWIW, I don't think she's acting in ...Yup, fun. :-) FWIW, I don't think she's acting in a partisan way. I think she's making the most of the situation and I actually tip my hat to her marketing prowess. I hope she doesn't get nailed for court costs or if she does, her PR campaign will have been worth it.JimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-91804352972382730442008-08-07T18:16:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:16:00.000-04:00If all she does is answer questions about the laws...<I>If all she does is answer questions about the lawsuit</I><BR/><BR/>How can she discuss the lawsuit without laying out her case?<BR/><BR/>I mean no malice, but watching that presser, she didn't strike me as someone who thinks before she speaks, so I do think there is a risk she'll do herself some damage legally.<BR/><BR/>As to the Mercury following up on an earlier story, one then must ask the about the objectivity of said paper. They've been decidely bias against the Lib's from what I've read. Not all, but many contributors, including the editors.<BR/><BR/>What are your thoughts if she contacted them? <BR/><BR/>Face it jaybird. I don't say this with arrogance, but all publicity really is good publicity. I agree with Jimbobby on that count, she's a smart business woman. <BR/><BR/>What's really interesting is what a small audience this really has.<BR/><BR/>Political junkies like us, perhaps environmentally tuned in groups? I've yet to see outrage from any of them, nor any one running to her defense outside of Con bloggers. Outside of that, most people are enjoying their summer.<BR/><BR/>So, she's going where she'll have an audience, a political setting that she so wants to avoid.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-76252622870875756352008-08-07T18:14:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:14:00.000-04:00Jimbobby: I admit, I have no idea whether she has ...Jimbobby: I admit, I have no idea whether she has a case but that is for the courts not for me to decide. I am simply pointing out that she shouldn't be subjected to accusations of partisanship without proof and that she has the right to fight this case and finally that the LPC and Dion would have been smarter to think up a different name when they realized there could be a problem with the one they first chose. These are my only (admittedly now oft repeated points) which so far have not really been refuted in their specifics. But LPC/carbon tax supporters are not likely to see it this way so I guess it is pointless to continue the discussion. Cheers all its been fun (mostly ;)jaybirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14482468975695219751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-90192505050175256342008-08-07T18:02:00.000-04:002008-08-07T18:02:00.000-04:00I wonder what the author of a book published 1996 ...I wonder what the author of <A HREF="http://www.amazon.ca/Green-Shift-Towards-Sensibility-Architecture/dp/0750615303" REL="nofollow">a book published 1996</A> thinks of the commercialization of his phrase. <BR/><BR/>How about the publicly traded <A HREF="http://www.greenshift.com/" REL="nofollow">Greenshift Corporation</A> of NYC? They seem to be in the same business as GreenShift.ca. DotCOM's and dotCA's are easily confused.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.ecoperth.on.ca/Projects/transportation/current/GreenShift.html" REL="nofollow">Perth County has a Green Shift program</A>, too.<BR/><BR/>There are other earlier examples from businesses and government programs in the USA and Britain.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I won't bet the farm. I don't have a horse in this race. I've been a self-employed small business owner for 30 years and my observations are based on marketing and publicity -- not from a partisan viewpoint. I'm a Green Party member. The LPC may have lifted the name from Jennifer; they lifted the whole policy from the GPC.<BR/><BR/>JBJimBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04603665575714484326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-3027641535483776472008-08-07T17:50:00.000-04:002008-08-07T17:50:00.000-04:00Anon: this is exactly the innuendo I was referring...Anon: this is exactly the innuendo I was referring to. Yes she has a fight with the Libs but it doesn't mean she is doing this on behalf of another party. If all she does is answer questions about the lawsuit and doesn't comment about the by-election I wonder how much it would hurt her case. <BR/><BR/>And again.....did she call the "Merc" as Steve V calls it or did they call her? I think they have already done a piece on the lawsuit so it would make journalistic sense for them to do a follow up interview during the by-election. Which again....would be her responding to not seeking to insert herself into the political environment.jaybirdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14482468975695219751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-78228227734566000272008-08-07T17:44:00.000-04:002008-08-07T17:44:00.000-04:00Suzuki and other environmentalists go to political...Suzuki and other environmentalists go to political events, yes, but they are not involved in legal suits.<BR/><BR/>You can be damn sure the Liberal lawyers are watching and yes it is political when you are in a legal situation to get yourself involved in a by-election.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if she's being helped by the CPC - perhaps an RCMP investigation would be in order because it sure smells bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com