tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post4316492546551926425..comments2023-08-01T04:17:03.628-04:00Comments on Liberal Arts and Minds: Tsk, Tsk Says the SpeakerKarenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-50539911643426342862008-03-16T13:26:00.000-04:002008-03-16T13:26:00.000-04:00I'm not clear here. Are ron and anon the same comm...I'm not clear here. Are ron and anon the same commenter?<BR/><BR/>With respect to my comment about Hanger, I agree with him. In fact I'd go farther and commend him for standing up to Harper and Prentice. You don't see that too often.<BR/><BR/>Is it because he's retiring? I don't know, but my kudo's were legitimate.<BR/><BR/>In asking ron what his thoughts were on that, I meant the actual sale, not my position.<BR/><BR/>I don't expect agreement during debate. I <I>am</I> entitled to an opinion you know, just as you are. <BR/><BR/>No need to be condescending here. You disagree with me, fair enough. State your case and I'll state mine.<BR/><BR/><I>all Conservatives seem to be NEO-CONS. We are all to be shunned as knuckle-dragging, homophobic, racist, sexist pigs.</I><BR/><BR/>It's funny, I see that description used by Con's more often than any Libs. I've certainly not used it.<BR/><BR/>As for all conservatives being neo-con's, no I don't believe that, but the current government certainly is a form of that. If you believe that they are still the Progressive Conservative Party with a new name, I'm afraid you are mistaken.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-37821264662246428942008-03-16T12:31:00.000-04:002008-03-16T12:31:00.000-04:00knb...Actually I was imitating Liberal dogma. The...knb...<BR/>Actually I was imitating Liberal dogma. There is no debate unless you agree.<BR/>To 'progressives' all Conservatives seem to be NEO-CONS. We are all to be shunned as knuckle-dragging, homophobic, racist, sexist pigs. Nothing could be further from the truth.<BR/>My reaction was not that of a five year old, but rather a mature adult that stooped to that level of discourse because of the arguments being presented.<BR/>Oh gee, you were so open-minded, actually paying a compliment to a Conservative. <BR/>Was it only because he was disagreeing with a government policy? <BR/>Or did he happen to agree with you for once?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-41561720774883585542008-03-15T21:50:00.000-04:002008-03-15T21:50:00.000-04:00anon, I'm guessing you are about 5 years old and h...anon, I'm guessing you are about 5 years old and had your daddy help you spell pathetic.<BR/><BR/>Participate in a real debate or go away.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-6413537878755602302008-03-15T21:48:00.000-04:002008-03-15T21:48:00.000-04:00btw ron, you did notice that I commended Hanger on...btw ron, you did notice that I commended Hanger on his stance to sell technology.<BR/><BR/>What are your thoughts on that?Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-3135628740526776572008-03-15T21:45:00.000-04:002008-03-15T21:45:00.000-04:00YAH YAH YAH...same old bullshitBlame it all on the...YAH YAH YAH...<BR/>same old bullshit<BR/>Blame it all on the Conservatives...<BR/>you people are patheticAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-72874513966101532542008-03-15T21:11:00.000-04:002008-03-15T21:11:00.000-04:00Well said Aaron. I suspect ron would tell you, it...Well said Aaron. I suspect ron would tell you, it's going to the courts, so I have no comment.<BR/><BR/>Accountability?<BR/><BR/>Hmmm, perhaps that would be a close for most of my posts.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-78401304316118423092008-03-15T21:07:00.000-04:002008-03-15T21:07:00.000-04:00No ron, sadly the Con's hold the entitlement title...No ron, sadly the Con's hold the entitlement title at this point. You see, it's not just the Lib's. All opposition is questioning.<BR/><BR/>Indeed, when it is politically advantageous for the Bloq or NDP, they break ranks and I'm not suggesting that the Lib's aren't playing politics, but unless you've been watching these meetings, you are deluding yourself.<BR/><BR/>In the Hanger case, indeed the clerk agreed with him, but that does not mean there isn't another interpretation of what is acceptable. Standing orders do not state that the committee must accept a ruling.<BR/><BR/>He, Hanger, is ignoring the standing orders. What do you not understand about that? If he is over- ruled, he is required to take a vote. Instead, he stomps out of the room like a 4 year old. <BR/><BR/>Democracy? Sorry, you play by the rules that were agreed to in this democracy.<BR/><BR/>I know the Con's are cool with autocracy, but the last time I checked this is still Canada.<BR/><BR/>Hi-jacking...what a laugh. 7 months of faux filibustering? They get bathroom breaks, food breaks and the filibuster is shut down by the Con Chair after 2 hours. What a joke.<BR/><BR/>7 months of that? Yeah, that's getting business done. Not having the Con in and out scheme exposed is more important than the business of the country. Kind of like suing the Lib's instead of speaking about what went on with Cadman. Change the channel, click, click, click. <BR/><BR/>I'll be honest and say I do not know enough about the Ethic's deal at this point. It seems to me they want to investigate the Lib's on fund raising, but as far as I know they changed what was deemed to be improper before the fund raiser and did nothing wrong. Does the objection meet the standing orders? I don't know, but when I find out I'll be consistent. In fact, if Szabo is over ruled, it would be interesting to see the Lib's be honest, again, while the Con's hide. <BR/><BR/>Funny, when you think back to sponsorship and the witch hunt that was, and still is, I don't recall chairs stomping out of the room, I don't recall filibustering, I don't even recall major objection. <BR/><BR/>The difference may lie in the fact that the Lib's knew politicians weren't intimately involved. Was there wrong doing? Of course, but not by Liberal's. Did they guard against it well enough? My answer would be no, but in 2008 the Con's still get away with calling Lib's corrupt.<BR/><BR/>No in contrast to the Con's, we were willing to look at dirty laundry. The Con's have run their laundry through the wash so many times, they don't recognise what they are trying to hide.<BR/><BR/>The Con's are not <I>entitled</I> to run a majority style government while they are a minority and that my friend is what they are trying to do.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-19208345001650146992008-03-15T21:06:00.000-04:002008-03-15T21:06:00.000-04:00Hey Ron, what committee should be tasked with exam...Hey Ron, what committee should be tasked with examining allegations of offering a potential bribe to a sitting MP? Subverting Canadian democracy is a serious affair. Your comments would appear more balanced if you were to suggest an alternate committe that should examine this affair. You didn't.<BR/><BR/>Maybe we should just sweep it under the rug, eh?Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12086209664270723549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-14827179166285466272008-03-15T18:40:00.000-04:002008-03-15T18:40:00.000-04:00If the work of Parliament was being conducted by t...If the work of Parliament was being conducted by the committees I would probably agree with you. From where I sit, it is not. You critise Art Hanger for walking out - you fail to examine and explain why. The Liberals tried to hijack the committee to conduct a witch hunt about something the committee is not constituted to do. He ruled the motion to do so was not in order . The Committee leagal adviser agreed that it was not in order so the opposition chose to ignore the rules and go ahead with the witch hunt. We watched the results of the Ethics committee when it wandered down the road of a kangaroo court and it was a sad sight. For those who get the impression it is only the Conservatives blocking things, I remind you the Libral Chair Szabo ruled out of order a motion to examine Liberal finances at the Ethics committee and then blocked an effort to overrule that decison by the committee. What we have here is Liberals actively pursuing a scortched earth policy of destroy everything and everyone that gets between them and what they want. Their sense of entitlement is alive and well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com