tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post4888140010111669639..comments2023-08-01T04:17:03.628-04:00Comments on Liberal Arts and Minds: Well That Didn't Take LongKarenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-57921026429859396382008-03-27T17:07:00.000-04:002008-03-27T17:07:00.000-04:00In attempting to demontrate that Dan McTeague did ...In attempting to demontrate that Dan McTeague did in fact deliberately choose to obfuscate and continue to contradict Brenda Martin and prop up Waage's story that Martin said she was asked for a 500,000 bribe I searched the net.<BR/>One of the Dan McTeague interviews that I was able to track down can be found in the vault of 940Montreal.com at approx. 12:40 on Tuesday Mar.25. It is on the Aphrodite Salas Show interview with McTeague.<BR/>He makes reference to the half million dollar bribe and states Martin will "not able to pay a bribe to get herself out" and also a Mexican official will not release Martin "until he is paid a half million dollars"<BR/>He also manages to get in his partisan political shots,one of which amongst others he says "Guergis did nothing". McTeague may find the slur comforting to his warped mind, there is no doubt that Guergis has done a lot work on this file and although Martin has complained that she didn't meet personally with her in Mexico, but for McTeague to flat out say "Guergis did nothing" is patently unfair and an outright lie - only one of many by Dan McTeague.<BR/>I have received the following note from one of the MP's<BR/>We have raised her case numerous times at the highest levels to the Mexican government, up to and including the President of Mexico. In January 2008, Secretary of State Guergis travelled to Mexico to address a number of consular matters. She met with Mexico's Attorney General, Foreign Minister and Head of the Mexican Human Rights Commission in addition to thirteen other Federal, State and local officials. In each instance, she raised Ms. Martin's case and made it clear that Canada expects justice for Ms. Martin. We have made it clear to Mexican authorities that the various delays in her court proceedings are unacceptable.<BR/><BR/>Being the coward that he is he also makes references to Prime Minister Harper knowing full well that he won't be contradicted about any mis-statements because Harper is not present to challenge. Furthermore only a unscrupulous politician like Dan McTeague would want to take advantage and use Debra Martin's plight for possible political gain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-33263384396636675002008-03-27T17:05:00.000-04:002008-03-27T17:05:00.000-04:00.Charles Rusnell of the Edmonton Journal in differ....<BR/>Charles Rusnell of the Edmonton Journal in different stories as well as in an interview with Charles Adler on Tuesday afternoon has broken the news that Brenda Martin categorically denies that she was asked for a half million dollar bribe or any bribe as carried in the Canadian Press story, attributed to the convicted felon Alyn Waage.<BR/>Dan McTeague in a radio interview continues to float the half million dollar bribe story, because it fits his political agenda and proves that he is not interested in the truth. He has been in contact with Brenda, and he has also worked with Charles Rusnell, so he knows better and knows the truth. He is now in essence calling Brenda Martin a liar, in his clumsy attempt to try and incriminate the Canadian government of mismanagement of the Martin file. How low can he stoop when we have this evidence that he is prepared to use Brenda Martin's plight to try and score cheap political points. Will the Brenda Martin team give this unscrupulous and unprincipled politician the boot?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-69396465993212254862008-03-23T13:34:00.000-04:002008-03-23T13:34:00.000-04:00Oh yes that darned link please. Link to the Edmon...Oh yes that darned link please. Link to the Edmonton Journal writer and his book.<BR/>http://www.thewantednovel.com/edjournal.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-16877764846376695662008-03-23T13:31:00.000-04:002008-03-23T13:31:00.000-04:00From the Edmonton Journal in 2003 a look at the wo...From the Edmonton Journal in 2003 a look at the workings of Mr. Waage and "Brenda Martin"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-6452725038999257822008-03-23T09:35:00.000-04:002008-03-23T09:35:00.000-04:00Again...you Libs just don't get it...there is more...Again...you Libs just don't get it...there is more to being a Canadian then complaining and attacking those who questions your motives and partianship.<BR/><BR/>Now...if the Libs were in power...what would they do? <BR/><BR/>We have seen what you have done in the past with William Sampson and Arar. We have seen Chretien help free the terrorist and elder Khadr from a Pakistani prison before he went back to Afghanistan to help Osama with 911<BR/>Again...what would you do...would you send the army in to free her?<BR/>This is a sovereign legitimate government in a foreign country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-44174842391108293102008-03-23T00:05:00.000-04:002008-03-23T00:05:00.000-04:00RT, I'm beginning to think they are clinically ins...RT, I'm beginning to think they are clinically insane.<BR/><BR/>I'm not being funny here.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-9988742444532139862008-03-22T23:38:00.000-04:002008-03-22T23:38:00.000-04:00wilson, I was just waiting for such a comment to s...wilson, I was just waiting for such a comment to show up.<BR/><BR/>I will not suggest that when the Lib's were in power, everything went well. Gawd, I'm one who fought for Maher Arar.<BR/><BR/>Circumstances were different and if you have read the judgements, that had to do with CSIS and the RCMP, not government.<BR/><BR/>That not withstanding, this is not a partisan issue! What is it that you guy's don't get?<BR/><BR/>This is about Canada and a Canadian. If you do not think that it is important how we treat our own and you are more concerned about how Harper looks, you completely miss the point.<BR/><BR/>This is your guy on the world stage. Yes, that's<BR/>right. This story has been written about in the UK, various other countries in Europe and Australia.<BR/><BR/>Harper looks like an ass and Canada looks idiotic. This is not a position in the world that Canada usually places itself.<BR/><BR/>This is not about the Con's, it's about who represents us. At this moment in time, they are an embarassment.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-12478957883675096442008-03-22T22:54:00.000-04:002008-03-22T22:54:00.000-04:00Ask William Sampson and Arar how the Liberals hand...Ask William Sampson and Arar how the Liberals handle Candians imprisioned in foreign countries.<BR/>Tortured in jail and their pleas ignored by the Liberal government.wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03589410224972050999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-51054707465889097502008-03-22T22:25:00.000-04:002008-03-22T22:25:00.000-04:00I like how pesky little facts such as the affidavi...I like how pesky little facts such as the affidavit on record from Waage stating that Martin had no knowledge of the scam don't seem to bother the Harper supporters in the least. As far as they're concerned, she's guilty and, furthermore, deserved to be punished because she was "working illegally" in Mexico (I'm not sure where proof of this comes from) and, this I really love... she was a bad cook and, allegedly, a heavy drinker. I kid you not. Brian Lemon's little buddy "Mary T" even suggested she go right ahead and kill herself. <BR/><BR/>A fine bunch these Conservative supporters are! They'll happily throw anyone under the nearest bus before criticizing the Dear Leader for anything. Except maybe for just being <I>too dreamy</I>... God, they make me sick.Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-76865291477765824702008-03-22T21:08:00.000-04:002008-03-22T21:08:00.000-04:00The Canadian press is so widely and deeply pro-HTP...The Canadian press is so widely and deeply pro-HTP (Harper Tory Party) that you almost have to figure that the reporters are being juiced.<BR/><BR/>I mean, how much would it take to grease some reporters? Especially when you got a couple of spare millies lying around, huh?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-20954909230296333122008-03-22T19:49:00.000-04:002008-03-22T19:49:00.000-04:00anon, There have been over one hundred contacts by...anon, <I>There have been over one hundred contacts by our government and consulate.</I><BR/><BR/>Have you followed the flipping story? No one knows when they took place and it took a year and a half for action from the consulate.<BR/><BR/>Are you people insane? I'm starting to think so because you eliminate fact only and I emphasize only, in an effort to support Harper.<BR/><BR/>This is <I>not</I> a partisan issue. It's a total lack of leadership by this government to do what they should have done from the start.<BR/><BR/>Explain the time lag. Explain the lack of involvement until it hit the press. Explain why our government still does not have a handle on the legal situation in Mexico. Explain why she was not provided guideance.<BR/><BR/>Did you know, when Martin was arrested, an American woman was taken at the same time. Both had dealings with Waage. The American is home with her family because their government stepped in and took action.<BR/><BR/>Get a grip who ever you are anon.<BR/><BR/>The only people being partisan are people like you who are so determined to save Harper, it's pathetic.<BR/><BR/>This is not partisan, it's Canadian. Honestly, the more I hear from Harper defenders, the more ill I become. <BR/><BR/>You are ill informed and because that seems to be the nature of Harper enthusiasts, you base your arguments on whatever Harper says.<BR/><BR/>Pathetic.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-41200106454134258672008-03-22T19:31:00.000-04:002008-03-22T19:31:00.000-04:00You liberals just don't get it....There is nothing...You liberals just don't get it....<BR/>There is nothing wrong with living abroad...that is not the point, but, when you do so, you choose to live by the laws of that country. Whether we agree with their justice system is immaterial, their laws apply.<BR/>There have been over one hundred contacts by our government and consulate.<BR/>Now, other then partisan attacks, what do you realistically think our governemnt can do....as noted earlier, the same would apply in Canada if there was another National in our jail. Our laws would apply...even if they felt they were innocent.<BR/>To suggest otherwise is simply partianship...and a lack of understanding. I you choose to live in another country, their laws will apply. While it is nice to have the support of your home country and government...which Ms. Martin does...they are limited in what they can do....facts are facts...and partisanship is partisanship...unfortunately, you libs prefer the latter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-13326012488067357702008-03-22T19:30:00.000-04:002008-03-22T19:30:00.000-04:00RT, no, I realised that your query was legit. It'...RT, no, I realised that your query was legit. It's telling though isn't it? Perhaps it was always thus, but I don't recall growing up in that world at least that is not who I have become based on my experiences.<BR/><BR/>As to how you are doing...pain is really tough to deal with. It brings every emotion with it doesn't it? I'm sorry that is you fate for the moment, but it seems you know this will pass and imo that is a good outlook.<BR/><BR/>For those of us who have brought on certain conditions in spite of whatever knowledge we may have had, it's a tough one. I'm speaking me here, not you.<BR/><BR/>No insurance? My best friend just went through cancer surgery and therapy, but she is self employed, (really small stuff) and had private insurance that covered her. Is that not available in BC?<BR/><BR/>Think to the future, fight the frustration, because it's going to be a different world for you.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-55120273158998177312008-03-22T18:22:00.000-04:002008-03-22T18:22:00.000-04:00My query wasn’t entirely unserious. Brenda Martin ...My query wasn’t entirely unserious. <BR/><BR/>Brenda Martin doesn’t come across as a terribly appealing figure in many respects and people’s sympathies can turn on such things as the “likeability” of the person in question (i.e., “Is this somebody I want to relate to or be associated with?”). There seem to be a lot of folks attacking her on a personal level that has nothing whatsoever to do with the facts of the matter. Anyway, it’s just something to tuck away in the back of your mind when considering the coverage and reactions of different individuals… <BR/><BR/>In answer to your question, my surgery date is May 6th (all being well). Meanwhile, I’m just trying to get as much work done as possible in preparation to that as I’ll be out of commission for several weeks afterwards. Being self-employed with no insurance that's a concern. Even so, it can’t come soon enough because physically I’m just seizing up and becoming more immobile all the time. And then there's the pain. It sucks, but such is life… full of annoyance and bother.Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-66469170478558840362008-03-22T17:52:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:52:00.000-04:00RT. Interesting point.I saw a comment at the bott...RT. Interesting point.<BR/><BR/>I saw a comment at the bottom of one of the articles that was incredibly disparaging and focused on her appearance. They even commented on her hair. For those who don't know, her head was shaved by the guards because of the lice in her cell.<BR/><BR/>btw, are you on the mend now or still waiting? I'm so bad with dates. Hope you are well in any event.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-38884283383712045162008-03-22T17:47:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:47:00.000-04:00darren, for that commenter, all roads lead to Dion...darren, for that commenter, all roads lead to Dion.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-75677193943171482872008-03-22T17:46:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:46:00.000-04:00Sandi, thanks for that background. I knew Norlock...Sandi, thanks for that background. I knew Norlock had done nothing but I forgot about Macklin and how the community rallied.<BR/><BR/>btw, I've received 4 of those childish flyers too. Oddly, they come from Alberta, Government Caucus Services and the top Harpercrite himself. Considering I live outside of Toronto, it's rather a pathetic display.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-12779144702316836322008-03-22T17:26:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:26:00.000-04:00I’m intrigued by this tactic of making asinine com...I’m intrigued by this tactic of making asinine comments and then concluding each post with “Happy Easter!” It seems indicative of some kind of mental disturbance. <BR/><BR/>p.s. Do you think that if Brenda Martin looked like <A HREF="http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/images/1_21_holloway_natalee_4.jpg" REL="nofollow">this</A> the treatment in the media and by all of those now denouncing her might be different? Just a thought...Red Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00422305796158017027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-82526141915588398572008-03-22T17:17:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:17:00.000-04:00This message is to that guy/gal who keeps wishing ...This message is to that guy/gal who keeps wishing everyone a Happy Easter and calling Dion a "none leader": get a grip on your spin.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I'm a former Liberal who is not impressed by Dion's leadership either but the Brenda Martin case isn't really a great venue to spin this back to Dion.<BR/><BR/>Something needs to be done to ensure this woman -- a Canadian -- is released from a Mexican prison and mindless spin isn't the answer.<BR/><BR/>Happy Easter to you too.Darren McEwenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15545885204463975738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-62818812929328795182008-03-22T17:03:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:03:00.000-04:00cliff is simply repeating the lines that Harper an...cliff is simply repeating the lines that Harper and gang have put out.<BR/><BR/>It seems to have suddenly become a crime to choose to live elsewhere in the world for any lenth of time. When I say suddenly, I mean 26 months ago.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-51135454990588233142008-03-22T16:56:00.000-04:002008-03-22T16:56:00.000-04:00The question is why do they feel this way?ottlib, ...<I>The question is why do they feel this way?</I><BR/><BR/>ottlib, that is the question I keep asking myself.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I think it is a lethal mix of their ideology with their incompetence.<BR/><BR/>I mean when you add all these cases up, it seems clear to me that they believe anyone accused of a crime must be guilty. Geez, even all the recent revelations concerning Khadr leave them unmoved.<BR/><BR/>Extend it beyond the Foreign Affairs file and look at the attitude concerning the so-called terrorists and their treatment. The pushed through that ridiculous legislation that provides them with special advocates, in spite of all the evidence from the UK that it's a bad system. (Here's the latest on <A HREF="http://news.therecord.com/Wire/News_Wire/National/article/326245" REL="nofollow">that</A>.)<BR/><BR/>Sorry, I'm babbling now but I really find it so frustrating to see what little value they place on peoples lives, while pretending that they stand for the opposite.<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure I've ever seen such blatant hypocrisy.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-15321198264761662112008-03-22T16:52:00.000-04:002008-03-22T16:52:00.000-04:00cliff:The minimum that the government can do is as...cliff:<BR/><BR/>The minimum that the government can do is assist Ms. Martin to navigate the Mexican legal system. In fact that is part of the function of Canadian consular official abroad. They have appeared to drop the ball on that score.<BR/><BR/>In fact it is only two years after her arrest and incarceration that the government has taken notice.<BR/><BR/>The question is why? Does the reason lie in the Canadian counsul in Mexico or does it lie in Ottawa?<BR/><BR/>As well Cliff, what is it with Conservatives and Canadians living outside of Canada? For some reason Conservatives always seem to say if you choose to live outside of Canada you do not deserve the protection of the Canadian government anymore. What's up with that?<BR/><BR/>No citizen of any other Western country has to deal with that kind of attitude. Why do Canadians?<BR/><BR/>As far as I am concerned if I find myself in trouble in a foreign land, whether I have been there for ten hours or ten years, I expect my government to come to my aid. That is my right as a Canadian citizen and that is the duty of the government towards it citizens.<BR/><BR/>If they fail to do so then they deserve any scorn and derision they receive.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-83858591904448118882008-03-22T16:50:00.000-04:002008-03-22T16:50:00.000-04:00"I find it terribly sad that the Liberals are tryi..."I find it terribly sad that the Liberals are trying to turn this into political advantage."<BR/><BR/>I find it quite disgusting that conservatives can only view events as either a political advantage or political disadvantage.<BR/><BR/>It probably never occured to you the liberals are trying to help this woman, and that is more important than any political benefit, or lack thereof.<BR/><BR/>It is quite obvious the only way to force the Harper government to take action on her behalf is to shame them into it. I could care less about any advantage to any political party, so long as someone helps this woman.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-68938065395864836952008-03-22T16:46:00.000-04:002008-03-22T16:46:00.000-04:00"She is now beginning to sound ungrateful....commo..."She is now beginning to sound ungrateful....common sense would suggest that she should appreciate government efforts instead of selfishly critizing the very ones that are attempting to help her...realistically she should be encouraging those attempting to help her instead of critizing them."<BR/><BR/>She does not have to play some little game in order to get assistance from her government. She has a right to that assistance as a Canadian citizen - and as a citizen she also has a right to criticize her government. That criticism should have no bearing on teh government's efforts on her behalf.<BR/><BR/>Besides, as I said above, she appears to have mental health issues. If you have ever listened to her talk I think it is quite clear she is somewhat incoherent. I should think that is a natural byproduct of being incarcerated for a crime you did not commit, in a situation where human and legal rights seem to take a back seat to corruption and bribes.Gaylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08112657859825911939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-16171216855321614482008-03-22T16:41:00.000-04:002008-03-22T16:41:00.000-04:00I find it terribly sad that the Liberals are tryin...I find it terribly sad that the Liberals are trying to turn this into political advantage. Dion, McTeague and the Liberals know full well that there is little that can be done, Justice is sometimes excruciatingly slow, and she has contributed substantially to her own delays. She has lived there fo (10) plus years now...it appears illegally...now she wants the help of the same people she is critizing.<BR/>If this was reversed and the Conservatives were attempting to circumvent our Justice system to the benifit of a non-citizen that had lived here for 10 plus years...these same liberal partisans would be crying foul.<BR/>Lets be honest...let common sense take hold...put the partianship aside...there is little any Canadian Government can do...just as there would be little the Mexican government could do if the situation were reversed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com