tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post5268726079442393958..comments2023-08-01T04:17:03.628-04:00Comments on Liberal Arts and Minds: So, Now the Real Dialogue BeginsKarenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-57098611490334266302008-06-19T21:51:00.000-04:002008-06-19T21:51:00.000-04:00but the reality cheque in the mail will be a lower...<I> but the reality cheque in the mail will be a lower standard of living for middle income Canadians.</I><BR/>Odd how that always happens during Conservative governance. <BR/>Mulroney was a dire period for the middle class and poor and Harper is doing the same (how's the economy doing stupid?).....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-14818682525309979872008-06-19T00:16:00.000-04:002008-06-19T00:16:00.000-04:00Mound of Sound, from what I've learned about Liber...Mound of Sound, from what I've learned about Liberals, and God knows I've tried to, it's not so much about doing what is pragmatic and practical, but doing what "feels right". Well I'm sure we'll all feel great to be environmental philanthropists, but the reality cheque in the mail will be a lower standard of living for middle income Canadians.Raphael Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14635417096024081504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-72614237809017916972008-06-18T23:45:00.000-04:002008-06-18T23:45:00.000-04:00Fine post KNB. Yes we'll sacrifice meaningfully a...Fine post KNB. Yes we'll sacrifice meaningfully at home to make an overall insignificant difference overall but it's all about "learning" that we have to act globally. It's all about learning because those who raise silly, frightened quibbles can't or won't understand what lies ahead if the most advantaged don't figure this out first. It's our societies' opportunity - for our own long-term wellbeing as much as anyone else's - and those who must follow us will pay dearly for it if we shun this opportunity.The Mound of Soundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09023839743772372922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-28504694610733258612008-06-18T23:31:00.000-04:002008-06-18T23:31:00.000-04:00I agree with anonymous. We will yet again sacrific...I agree with anonymous. We will yet again sacrifice the backs of working Canadians in order to satisfy a Liberal agenda, all for what? a possible 2% reduction in net emissions? Preposterous.<BR/><BR/>Wake up to the elephant in the room: India and China and their massively overpopulated countries. Another tax on the back of the working class, even the so-called revenue neutral magic voodoo being proposed by Dion, is still in the best-case scenario an interest free loan to the government. And those tax cuts will be forthcoming I'm sure, if I hold my breath long enough.<BR/><BR/>Last but not least, those revenue neutral cheques we get back from the government will probably go where they belong: back into the gas pump to pay for $150 barrel oil. So who's kidding whom?Raphael Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14635417096024081504noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-7752976345914186432008-06-18T23:26:00.000-04:002008-06-18T23:26:00.000-04:00To put things in perspective,...What I pay in taxe...<I>To put things in perspective,...</I><BR/>What I pay in taxes is but a drop in the bucket to the overall federal budget, but I still have to pay...<BR/><BR/>As for the Dion plan, I'll wait and see before commenting. Speaking from someone who does live in the greenest province, I can tell you that most tax shifting has been a tax grab and has not given the expected results. <BR/><BR/>It's very easy to say what has to be done, but without taking human nature and social fairness into account, we end up punishing those who can least afford it.<BR/><BR/>Alot of "greenies" pushed for ethanol and the Connies jumped on the bandwagon - the results of all this has been higher commodity prices that are hurting the poor. So whatever plan Dion has, it will be a hard balancing act.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-73270527284923301782008-06-18T22:42:00.000-04:002008-06-18T22:42:00.000-04:00You do mean the dialogue between the Liberal Party...You do mean the dialogue between the Liberal Party and Canadians right?<BR/><BR/>After all, I really do not expect the Conservatives to contribute anything to the dialogue except juvenile talking points and talking oil spots.<BR/><BR/>I hear part of the Liberal strategy is to release some advertizements promoting their plan. Would it not be breath of fresh air to see a political party in this country release some positive and informative advertizements?<BR/><BR/>The political realist in me is taking a cautious view with regard to the impact of the Liberal announcement and the communications plan (which I touched on at my own blog tonight) on the political landscape.<BR/><BR/>However, I do believe that this is a positive first step towards showing Canadians that the Liberals are shaping up to be an effective government-in-waiting.ottlibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12695135535019042279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-9927744876225848062008-06-18T21:00:00.000-04:002008-06-18T21:00:00.000-04:00Anon...the two most pressing issues are climate ch...Anon...the two most pressing issues are climate change and the economy. Dion has linked them from the beginning and in this plan. He goes farther...he brings justice into the mix.<BR/><BR/>The Con's on the other hand dismiss the environment, dismiss poverty and social justice and have destroyed the contemporary economy.<BR/><BR/>Take your pick.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04291881352139075405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30594727.post-31120765860863606812008-06-18T20:42:00.000-04:002008-06-18T20:42:00.000-04:00To put things in perspective, consider this passag...To put things in perspective, consider this passage from Saturday's edition of the New York Times:<BR/><BR/>"China has clearly overtaken the United States as the world’s leading emitter of carbon dioxide, the main heat-trapping gas, a new study has found, its emissions increasing 8 percent in 2007. The Chinese increase accounted for two-thirds of the growth in the year’s global greenhouse gas emissions, the study found."<BR/><BR/>Canada's emissions are a drop in the bucket. We are a fully developed sparsely populated country with one of the world's coldest climates requiring more energy just to heat our homes.<BR/><BR/>AGW is something governments have to contend with, but it is not the only pressing concern. I hope Dion has bold plans to deal with our other pressing societal concerns and doesn't put all his eggs in this one policy basket.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com