Friday, September 07, 2007

"The Shock Doctrine"

I heard Naomi Klein being interviewed the other day, on her new book The Shock Doctrine. I'd not heard of it until then and was really quite fascinated. While she is left of me politically, I find her interesting. I made a mental note to look up the book to see if it was really something I wanted to pick up. In doing so, I came across this trailer for it.



I'll be buying the book.

13 comments:

Johnny said...

Sorry KNB to change
the subject but this is way too important.
Its about election Canada allowing Muslim women to cover their face when voting. Take a look here! This should have nothing to do with left or right or religion our democracy is based on fair voting.
I just registered a complaint with election
Canada there is still time for them to change their mind. Please who
ever reads this complain its too important not to.
Go HERE
to complain its toll free don't email call
them thats what i did.

Please!! Please!! Don't politicize situation its too important for our democracy thank you!!

Johnny said...

The federal by-election
here in Quebec is on
Sept.17 so please hurry
with the complain thank
you.

knb said...

Your off topic comment is deliciously ironic.

Did you watch the vid? You see, it's all about how crisis, actual or perceived, can be used to implement political will.

The issue you raise here, doesn't bother me in the least. Here is why. The percentage of women that wear a full hijab is miniscule. They will still have to prove their identity and domicle, if not able to with documentation, they will be asked to remove their veil. Quebec is irrationally seized with this issue. I see no threat to our democracy. I do see fear from those opposed.

Don't you go on and on about the "democratically elected" government in Afghanistan? I don't suppose those women were asked to remove their veils.

I simply have no problem in respecting a person's rights. They have the right to practice their religion as they see fit.

knb said...

Oh and btw, I'm not in line with my party on this, so I do not agree with Dion on everything.

Johnny said...

KNB i saw the vid nothing new!!

"The issue you raise here, doesn't bother me in the least. Here is why. The percentage of women that wear a full hijab is miniscule. They will still have to prove their identity and domicle, if not able to with documentation, they will be asked to remove their veil. Quebec is irrationally seized with this issue. I see no threat to our democracy. I do see fear from those opposed."

It makes no diffrence
how many people use their veil. Prove their identity and domicile.
O.K.3 women live at the same address. Only one
will go and vote she will bring a identity card with a picture and her address don't forget all 3 women live
at the same address. Bring also a complice
male that lives at the same address. How would someone now who is on
the picture if you can't see her face?

"Don't you go on and on about the "democratically elected" government in Afghanistan? I don't suppose those women were asked to remove their veils."
Our democracy is hundreds of years old
in the 70's England
had to approve all laws
passed by our electives. Now you want
to compare our democracy to Afghanistan that is
just dumb.They are just starting out for heavens sakes. Its a different culture there
please!

"Oh and btw, I'm not in line with my party on this, so I do not agree with Dion on everything."

I'm glad that the Liberals yes imagine
that,i agree with the
Liberals on this amazing hu?;) I also I'm happy that the Cons. and the Bloc they all agree to put pressure on elections Canada to change course.

If it doesn't happen i could see legislation
going threw this fall
with flying colors with
the help of the Libs the Bloc of course the
Cons.and maybe the NDP
who asked for a debate
on this.

I can't believe anyone for democracy is in favor of this stupid rule.

I have to keep reminding my self that
this is a left wing blog. You people are always harping on this government that they are not democratic and
yet something like this happens to threaten that they are fine with
it just amazing with me.

You want to be taken
seriously when you say your for democracy ha thats a laugh. You
mean to tell me that your guy Dion is not
democratic or for freedom of religion?

knb said...

I can't believe anyone for democracy is in favor of this stupid rule.

Prove to me how this compromises democracy.

Johnny said...

KNB:

"Prove to me how this compromises democracy."

It would increase the chance of voter fraud. They wouldn't be able to compare the picture on her identification card with her,because her face would be covered with the veil.

Otherwise what is the point of having a identification card
with your picture on
it.

If a muslim women for
what ever reason should
be in a police line up
wouldn't she be forced
then to show her face then? If so then why not when voting for the future of our country?

It simply makes no sense.

Johnny said...

KNB

Please go here and
listen on the ctv website vid that they you will here this:Canadian Council on American-Islamic Relations in Montreal, said Muslims don't necessarily support the ruling either. Please listen!! Its their own
people saying this not me!! Also you can read
the article thank you.
This i think proves my point.

knb said...

It proves nothing. Your contention is that it will result in voter fraud. You've not proven that, you've simply demonstrated how paranoid Quebec is about a non issue.

For the record, I have never once been asked for ID in all the years I've been voting. I simply state my name and they strike me off the list. I could just as easily give my neighbours name...but that doesn't happen too often does it?

Bottom line, it's much ado about nothing and simply fuels the flames of bigotry and fear.

Johnny said...

KNB what is the purpose of having a identification card
if you can't see the
persons face? Why do
passports have pictures
on them?

Your fine with this good.Being paranoid
ha!! Thats like thee old pot calling the kettle black.

"Bottom line, it's much ado about nothing and simply fuels the flames of bigotry and fear."
Please give me a break!!!

I'm glad that things will change soon!!
Because all parties
agree with this it has
nothing to do with left
or right. Paranoid is in your head I'm sorry
to say. Muslims them selfs agree that it is
a wrong rule period, you choose to deny it too bad for you!!

Change is coming to election Canada and its about time.

Explain to me how the potential of voter fraud will not increase
with this stupid rule
from election Canada?
Don't tell me it has never happened,because its not a answer!!

sassy said...

KNB,

I frist read about "The Shock Doctrine" last night and found this link to the Guardian which provides some interensting backgroud.

On that same page is link to an extract from the book

I also will be reading the book.

p.s. An article by Naomi Klein on the recent Montebello conference

knb said...

Thank you Sassy, that was kind of you.

The Montebello article was interesting/disturbing.

My partner bought me the book yesterday. I'm looking forward to getting into it, though I confess to some apprehension of what I will learn.

Anonymous said...

Listen Noami is full of it. Even just reading the preface and synopsis of the book I can already tell that this is BS.

In the book she make many questionable assertions and twist historical events and figures out of context in order fit them into her theory of the "Shock Doctrine"

1, When Milton Friedman said that the shock of major events like a disaster brings about change, he is stating a general principle about history. Sometime disaster brings out the worst in a society and sometimes it disasters bring out the best in a society. History is not static, all things are subject to change.

2, She takes many of the events she describes completely out of context. For example things like the Falklands War, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the anarchy of the Yeltson era are all events that have to be described and analyzed based on their historical context. To try and shove every single event under one rubric that explains everything is like religious fundementalism and/or political extremism.

3, Globalization and economic development are very complex topics. Things cannot be defined into easy to understand catagories and there are no easy answers for economic development. Yet all Naomi does is show the failures of globalization and economic development but none of the successes. Many developing nations are poor and backwards due to the particular problems in their own society and every nation or regions has to be studied on its own terms.

4, She blows up Milton Friedman into some all purpose boggyman for every thing that has ever gone wrong. She attacks the man but she never engages in debates about the ideas. This is an ad hominom attack.

5, I will not paraphrase this critique I will show you the stright up goods from this blog:
http://locut.us/blog/

This is not a full blown literary critique of her book but you guys should do some research on Milton Friedman, globalization, economic development, Falklands War, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the anarchy of the Yeltson era before you pick up this book.