Sunday, July 20, 2008

Huh? 'We Taxed Industry, but we are Against a Tax on Industry'

Did anyone watch QP today? Ed Stelmach and Brad Wall were interviewed on their position on the environment as raised at the recent Premiers meeting.

A couple of days ago Wall wanted to 'go on the record' as saying that he was
against a carbon tax.

Stelmach, makes the same claim but opened the interview with this statement.

The province of Alberta was the first to legislate emission targets for 100 or so large emitters in the province of Alberta. We also put a 'CARBON LEVY' of $15.00/tonne...

When is a levy not a tax? When that word is uttered by someone who is disingenuous about both his commitment and his critique of another party's plan. Alberta did legislate a levy, based on intensity targets that don't actually kick in until 2020. Clever don't you think?

Both he and Wall were effusive, (okay wrong word as it relates to these two personalities, but you get my drift), about carbon sequestration. That's their plan, they are on the cutting edge, the vanguards, don't you know, so everyone else is wrong and they've got it right. Uh, huh.

Of course most of know that capturing the carbon is not the issue, it's the sequestration on the scale that they propose that has no solid proof or results. Additionally, it beggars logic to suggest that this is the best plan ever and oppose a tax at the same time. I mean if they are sooo certain that this technology will work, no one that they are trying to protect would have to pay a tax. Right?

Anyway, I'm not going to argue their weak arguments, but I am going continue to demand that people doing such interviews be either knowledgeable on the subject or have someone included in the discussion that is qualified to counter the idiocy that we are being fed.

This is wrong people. We are not getting a real debate, we're not even getting a rational reporting of fact. When is the last time you heard a journalist point out that the Green Shift is not just about taxation, but about tax cuts too?

Have I written about this before? Yes, and I will continue to write about it until we actually have a real debate in this country. We are being done such a disservice it's insulting. I know it's summer, I know people are not particularly engaged but unless we speak out now and demand real coverage of the issue, we'll get the same drivel in the Fall.

Third party endorsers should be out en masse putting some of this nonsense to rest. At the very least, the media should be seeking them out after all, they are not Liberals and they could bring the badly needed voice of reason to a debate that has been fought in the media in an unreasonable manner.

Give me ideas people. We have to turn this lie around.

Oh and a gentle reminder to those who want to see this nonsense curbed, including Harper's lead role in sending out a message that is untrue, give what you can, here.


Anonymous said...

Maybe you have not heard but the co2 caused global warming debate is on again

"The American Physical Society, an organization representing nearly 50,000 physicists, has reversed its stance on climate change and is now proclaiming that many of its members disbelieve in human-induced global warming."

knb said...

Go away anon. You and others have been trying for days to perpetuate this 'great lie'.

No one but the stupid are buying.

Is everything settled? No, but the idiot deniers with money are raising the stakes, because you know, they stand to be forced to make a change. Meaning, they have to recognise their own irrelevance and pour profits into change.

It's beyond me why you anonymice find it necessary to push this junk, unless of course you are employed by the polluters who want to do what they do and the future be damned.

Just go away, you argument holds no sway here.

Steve V said...

"No one but the stupid are buying."

Stephen Harper's Canada.

Anonymous said...

Even KKKate has changed her statements on that - at least you should get the latest talking points (the would be C. Monckton letter).

American Physical Society has posted their position clearly on their home page of their web site.

Really Anon, morons like yourself should be expose to ridicule. You should stay away from a keyboard, less you hurt yourself.

Anonymous said...

Such anger, Such vitriol. I was looking for a good debate but it seems their is no inteligent life on liblogs.

knb said...

Exactly Steve.

knb said...

Even KKKate has changed her statements on that - at least you should get the latest talking points (the would be C. Monckton letter).

That requires research cwtf. What a demand!

knb said...

anon I was looking for a good debate but it seems their is no inteligent life on liblogs.

inteligent? Get back to us when you can spell the word.

Anonymous said...

Such anger, Such vitriol. I was looking for a good debate but it seems their is no inteligent life on liblogs.
Why would you perceive some mocking your stupidity as anger....

But let's play.
Please find where the APS has reversed it's stance and I'll be inclined to think that you are not a delusional fuckhead.

Logical most would visit the APS site....
If you peruse there, you'll find:
APS Position Remains Unchanged
The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:
"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate."
An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed.

That kind of puts a tamper our your assertions.... So do you want to continue playing your little game or are you such a liar that reality has completely eluted you?

And please, don't start with Viscount Monckton of Brenchley rebuttal - he's been so totally discredited that only idiots post about him.....

Anonymous said...

If anyone is interested in the truth of what happened and not just childish name calling you can look here.

RuralSandi said...

Oh right - American Thinker - an extremely right wing think tank that includes writers like Paul Jackson former editor of the Sun in Alberta - and Jackson is clearly a nutbar.

Don't believe? Just look at the photos of China and it's grungy air.

By the way - do you not think dufus Stelmach looks like an older version of Poilievre?

ottlib said...

"Such anger, Such vitriol. I was looking for a good debate but it seems their is no inteligent life on liblogs."

Ah yes, the classic "debating" tactic of a Conservative troll.

First you troll on over to Liblogs and throw out an assertion which you know is patently false.

When you are called on it you go all "hurt" and claim that Liberals do not want to debate after all.

I have no idea why Conservatives trolls employ this tactic. If you are trying to prove that liberals are hypocrits, why bother? You already believe that and nothing we do will change that belief.

If you are just trying to bait liberals then I would suggest that there is so much more you could be doing with your life. Get out of your parents' basement and go find some human contact beyond the computer monitor. Who knows you might even get laid. (Excuse the vulgar language knb).

If you actually believe the tripe you are peddling then back it up with something more substantive than what you are presenting.

Otherwise, you are just wasting your time.