Tuesday, August 07, 2007

"Quebec As a Nation", Again

It would seem that the calm, united, Canada that Harper continues to crow about, is crumbling a bit, no?

Let's review shall we? Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan and now Quebec are making demands. Ontario seems to be prepared to turn up the heat. Those who defend Harper continue to suggest that he's doing a marvelous job. Facts however seem, to be getting in their way.

It's not just provincial issues that are turning sour for this government. It would seem that everything they venture into, is proving to be a bad decision. Flaherty's Income Trust decision, brings him death threats, (I'll go on record here though, as saying that was deplorable. I cannot stand the man or his ideas, but no one deserves that and it must have been awful for him, and for his family.) That said, Canadians have not reacted well to that broken promise. The attempt to dismantle the Wheat Board, was clearly a stupid move, and now we have a concrete example as to how wrongheaded the Softwood Agreement was.

Ah, day by day, the adage, "the truth will prevail", gains a bit more credibility to me.

Oh, the Quebec thing? Dion warned Harper this would happen if he wasn't clear. Harper, trying to mke political points, ignored him. Silly man.

If you need a refresher on Dion's position, here you go. (sorry, I couldn't get the embed to work.)

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

KNB I've heard what Jean Charest said on french t.v.He is saying exactly what Harper has always said in the past. It is to limit the spending powers of the federal government over the provinces. The journalists ask him if the situation was ripe for constitutional change. He has said NO,because the Country is not ready for that yet.You don't think the
situation wasn't worse with the Liberals in power we almost lost our country remember the fights with the provinces ? So nice try. You say "Dion warned Harper this would happen if he wasn't clear." If Dion knew that this was going to happen then why did he vote in favor of the motion? He could have said that this motion is not clear enough for me and ask for a new one or vote against it. That's all. This is the man you want for P.M.please!! It's like a contract you don't sign it if you don't understand what it says,you hire someone to explain it to you before you sign it right ? It seems logical to me. How clear does the motion have to be it says Quebec forms a nation within Canada!! Now thanks for putting up the link to Dion's audio interview,because it clearly says on the interview that the
Liberal Party is the one that started this so don't forget that.

"Flaherty's Income Trust decision, brings him death threats."I won't even make a comment on it,because it is stupid and what i read was someone from the u.s.

About the softwood lumber.The majority of the Provinces the unions
and the companies agree
all agree with the deal remember? Who I'm I to disagree with them. What will Dion do if heavens forbid he should become P.M. of our country? Where is he i don't see him anywhere.You got this info. from the Liberal website couldn't you find a more credible source?

John

Steve V said...

Knb, did you happen to see the new CD Howe study. Federalism is working just fine for Quebec, no matter your measure, and yet Harper jeopardizes everything with his reckless pursuit of votes, raising expectations when he should be touting the truimphs.

Anonymous said...

John makes some excellent points. Dion and the Liberals passed the Quebec Nation motion and Bill Graham practically wet his pants he loved it so much. It is foolish to criticize it now.

The Liberals have overseen provincial turmoil ranging from the FLQ to the desired separation of Alberta under the NEP. Danny Chavez was even more upset under Martin when he took down the Canadian flag! To say it would be better if Dion were King is laughable judging by the track record.

The income trust change was "absolutely the right thing to do" according to the Liberal finance critic John Nosferatu McCallum. The softwood deal had 92 percent industry support.

On and on. It's business as usual for a country as big as Canada.

burlivespipe said...

JOhn,
Harpor opened the door to look like macho bull fighter taking on the separatists. Remember how Duceppe was stunned that it was offered? And then he jumped at it, seeing well beyond the 'I want a majority or hang this country!' stand of this PM. Now even his supposed friends are piling on that dumb decision.
And most of the lumber companies were FORCED to agree with this sell-out. Go back to your clip and paste in the ol' internut and read that many were considering opposing the deal. However, Harpor had the wrench and turned up the heat -- remember, he threatened the opposition that to vote against this softwood sellout it would trigger an election, despite the revisionist history being pedalled by Tommy Flanagan and the Rovian drones in Harpor's closet.
As to income trusts, we still haven't had the second shoe drop. Just wait... it won't be pretty, but then again, Harpor's already put us on the brink of deficit spending again.
And what school did he get his economics degree from? It must have been Mardi Gras semester for the profs that year...

Anonymous said...

burlivespipe responding to your 2:19 p.m post.About the motion,Remember the bloc didn't like it,but they were backed in a corner so they voted in favor of it,Remember Michael Ignatieff (Liberal Party)
during the leader ship Campaign he was the one that brought it up everyone back then said he may have opened up a can of worms. Remember Bill Graham he was all excited about the motion.
Remember your guy Dion he voted in favor of it. He (Dion) sounds a lot like John Kerry when he said he voted for the war in IRAQ before he voted against it you remember that?

Softwood lumber all the premiers were in agreement,are you hearing any of the premiers saying it's a bad deal hello? The Liberals are against it fine what is their solution to this?
Are they just going to criticize and that's all?

"Harpor's already put us on the brink of deficit spending again.
And what school did he get his economics degree from?"Last year we had
between $11-13 billion
dollars surplus.The first
quarter of this year we
already have accumulate
$3 billion dollars just about the same last year at the same time. We are heading again to another
big surplus. I should ask you this question: "what school did you get your economics degree from?"
Was it planet Mars?

John

Anonymous said...

John doesn't seem to realize that no matter what - it's in Harper's court now - he's been PM long enough to take responsibility instead of blaming everyone else. If he can't take responsibility he's not a leader and he's not qualified for the position.

It's time for Harper to act like a man and a leader and take responsibility like an adult. He's screwed up the softwood lumber deal, he's made a mess of the Wheat Board deal, hasn't dealt with wait times, has the country divided like I've never seen before, messed up the detainee issue, didn't come up with the day care centres he promised, messed up the income trust issue, botched the environment issue, etc., etc. -gee Steve you've done a helluva job.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous I'm responding
on your 4:49 pm. post. About the division about our country you surly forgot that in 1995 we almost lost our country
by only 50,000 votes.About the division of our country you may
have forgotten that New Found Land refused to
rise the Canadian flag this was under Paul Martin, you may also forgotten there was a growing number of people
in Alberta that wanted to separate you may have forgotten right? Sp please ok!!

John

Gayle said...

John

I am living in Alberta and I can tell you there is no "growing number" of people who want to separate. It is not even on the political radar. Please try to stick with the facts.

As for the 1995 referendum - that can ultimately be traced back to Mulroney's failed attempt to amend the constitution.

I am sure you are going to reply, and I do not want you to be disappointed when I do not reply, but I am off on holidays now so you will have to wait.

knb said...

Where is he i don't see him anywhere.You got this info. from the Liberal website couldn't you find a more credible source?

John, honestly, that is ridiculous. You want to know where the Lib's stand? Go to their website. Credible source?...yeah the source is pretty credible.

Give up the Adscam argument. That was then, (and no Liberal defends the fallout), but this is now and Harper blew it wide open. Dion had no choice and clearly states, this is not partisan. He made it very clear that he'll support the vote, on the condition that Harper was clear. Not unlike Ignatieff supporting the extension of the Afghan mission, on the condition that the 3 D's were respected.

Harper lied on both issues...which is an obvious pattern now. You do know that you are enamoured with a liar, don't you?

Dion gave the PM guidance, strict guidance, and he ignored it and now he's in trouble. Harper went forward without telling anyone where he was headed.

What really tick's me off, is Harper's ability to suggest one thing, sound bite garbage, then go on with no plan.

knb said...

Gayle:As for the 1995 referendum - that can ultimately be traced back to Mulroney's failed attempt to amend the constitution

Thanks for that, but John wont get it.

Happy holidays!

knb said...

Steve...thanks, I have not seen that. I need to digest it.

Anonymous said...

KNB:"Where is he i don't see him anywhere.You got this info. from the Liberal website couldn't you find a more credible source?

John, honestly, that is ridiculous. You want to know where the Lib's stand? Go to their website. Credible source?...yeah the source is pretty credible." Of
course you would say that it is ridiculous your a Liberal I wouldn't expect anything less.

"Give up the Adscam argument. That was then, (and no Liberal defends the fallout), but this is now and Harper blew it wide open. Dion had no choice and clearly states, this is not partisan. He made it very clear that he'll support the vote, on the condition that Harper was clear. Not unlike Ignatieff supporting the extension of the Afghan mission, on the condition that the 3 D's were respected." The answer is NO i will not give the adscam up,because it is still in the news.

"Dion gave the PM guidance, strict guidance, and he ignored it and now he's in trouble. Harper went forward without telling anyone where he was headed." The only one that i see is in trouble
here are the Liberals right now. So stick with your Liberals talking points if it makes you feel better. Now you may or may not want to respond,but I'm done with it so don't expect anymore feedback from me on this story ""Quebec As a Nation", Again"

I will answer your new
stories if i thing it needs to be answered alright we disagree with this one sorry. Talk to you soon.

John